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Old 07-03-2009, 07:21 PM   #31
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caps only work when you have an adquate power supply......
You just summarized 500 of my words in 10 of yours
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Old 07-03-2009, 07:21 PM   #32
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To a certain extent I agree. In a car where the noise floor is high there isn't much to notice, but in a very low noise floor app like a home, they make a difference. Of course, the signal is only as good as the gear, so someone with a $300 Onkyo with a pair of $100 bookshelfs won't gain anything by using $100 speaker wire. But someone running $20,000 VAC amps and $30,000 pre-amps with $50,000 Tidal Contriva Diaceras would notice better depth and spaciousness with high end cables.

But the same can be argued with amps, too. Sitting still you may hear a difference between a Tru Copper and my Cadence, but going down the road the gains in image, stage, and spaciousness disappear. So IMHO high end amps are more of a rip-off then cable.
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Old 07-03-2009, 08:24 PM   #33
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wtf are you talking about?
Exactly what I quoted...
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Tru Copper.
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Old 07-03-2009, 08:41 PM   #35
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Old 07-03-2009, 11:50 PM   #36
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Exactly what I quoted...
again your clueless, are you fimilar with plc/communications? there is no way your going to notice a difference in copper speaker wire or copper rca cables..
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again your clueless, are you fimilar with plc/communications? there is no way your going to notice a difference in copper speaker wire or copper rca cables..
Are you familiar with skin effect? Are you familiar with varying resistances over cable surfaces? Do you understand varying levels and methods of shielding? Cable's effects on capacitance and inductance in the circuit?

Clueless? You, sir, are clueless.

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Old 07-04-2009, 12:12 AM   #38
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dude lmfao, you sir need help, skin affect has nothing to do with sq in audible range.. the wiring should carry 125% of the maxium load..if so none of those will matter.. shielding is used to lower induced absorbsion, nothing more.. any good double shielded wire will work reguardless.. i wire plcs that run on 24vdc any carry 4-20ma inductance is very important, when 3ma difference means loosing 100k from shutting a rig down, id say for any application audio wise which are much less prone to induceded noise is no matter... skin affect happens at extremel high frequencies, and ampacity of copper wont change under circumstances as long as the adquate wiring size is used....

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Are you familiar with skin effect? Are you familiar with varying resistances over cable surfaces? Do you understand varying levels and methods of shielding? Cable's effects on capacitance and inductance in the circuit?

Clueless? You, sir, are clueless.
question, whats the difference in thhn and thhn2??? one carries more current, but why.. like i said if the wire is adquate, no way in hell your going to notice a difference....
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http://adireaudio.com/Files/CarCables.pdf

Here is just a quick rundown of the difference between CAT5 for interconnect and standard 8412 coaxial.

It is just 1 quick paper showing there is indeed a difference in cables.

Capacitance across short distances of cable. As capacitance shifts so does high frequency information. This very high frequency information is what provides us with image depth, stage width and overall spaciousness. Like I always say, down low is the meat and potatoes, but up high is the emotion. Skin effect allows AC current to jump from one strand to another. this can severely affect image, stage, and spaciousness as shifts in voltage create voltage spikes and phase shifts in the delivered signal. Little things that we need to worry about in systems with very low noise floors and high quality reproduction include cable capacitance (conductor material), EFI (foil shielding), RFI (braided copper shielding), and connectivity. Even things such as oxidation over time can affect connectivity, and some high end manufacturers even recommend you clip then strip your cable ends every 6 months or so.

See, it isn't about the amount of current a cable carries, it is about how well it carries the initial signal. It is like saying there is no difference between an air core and an iron core inductor. That is ridiculous. Losses occur everywhere in a system. If we can maintain a pure signal across the cable, we reduce overall losses. This isn't rigging up generators, or running copper in a noisy environment like a car this is a highly detailed analog signal transfer. My personal hands on with various cables has proven there is indeed a difference. Ironically enough, it isn't always the most expensive cable that wins every time, either.

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Not arguing with either of you, rather just stating a point. Whether these things do or don't make a difference, that doesn't mean it's audible to the average person's ear.
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Not arguing with either of you, rather just stating a point. Whether these things do or don't make a difference, that doesn't mean it's audible to the average person's ear.
No, and they won't be audible on most systems. Admittedly, while my system is decent, i won't be able to hear many subtle nuances that someone with a Tidal/Meridian system will hear. But my system adds more color then the near perfect tidal speaker and Meridian components can.
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thats similar to the test eddie runer did. i think he used neon lights for the noise. comon sense tells you that cat5 is not equal to some good shielded coax. you ought to see the nightmares that fluorescent lights and long runs of cat5 do to my computer and kiosk printer networks.
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plc=analod... trust me with the proper wiring there is no difference... any triple shielded car audio rcas will be adquate.. the nec ratings account for every application imaginable... you simply proved my point....
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